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1 Charles III , A.D. 2022, Canada

1st Session, 44th Parliament

Issue 61 (Unrevised)

Wednesday, September 21, 2022
2 p.m.

The Honourable PIERRETTE RINGUETTE, Speaker pro tempore


The Members convened were:

The Honourable Senators

AndersonBattersBellemareBoehmBoisvenuBonifaceBoveyBrazeauBussonCampbellCarignanClementCordyCormierCotterCoyleDagenaisDalphondDaskoDawsonDeacon (Nova Scotia)DeanDowneDuncanDupuisForestFrancisGagnéGalvezGignacGoldGreeneHartlingHousakosJafferKlyneKutcherLaBoucane-BensonLankinLoffredaMacDonaldManningMartinMarwahMassicotteMcCallumMcPhedranMégieMiville-DechêneMocklerMoncionMoodieOmidvarPatePetitclercPlettQuinnRavaliaRichardsRinguetteSaint-GermainSeidmanSimonsSmithSorensenTannasVernerWallinWellsWhiteWooYussuff

The Members in attendance to business were:

The Honourable Senators

Anderson*Arnot*AtaullahjanBattersBellemareBoehmBoisvenuBonifaceBoveyBrazeauBussonCampbellCarignanClementCordyCormierCotterCoyleDagenaisDalphondDaskoDawsonDeacon (Nova Scotia)DeanDowneDuncanDupuisForestFrancis*FureyGagnéGalvez*GerbaGignacGoldGreeneHartlingHousakosJafferKlyneKutcherLaBoucane-BensonLankinLoffredaMacDonaldManning*MarshallMartinMarwahMassicotteMcCallumMcPhedranMégieMiville-DechêneMocklerMoncionMoodie*OhOmidvarPatePetitclercPlettQuinnRavaliaRichardsRinguetteSaint-GermainSeidmanSimonsSmithSorensenTannasVernerWallinWellsWhiteWooYussuff

The first list records senators present in the Senate Chamber during the course of the sitting.

An asterisk in the second list indicates a senator who, while not present during the sitting, was in attendance to business, as defined in subsections 8(2) and (3) of the Senators Attendance Policy.

Absence of the Speaker

The clerk at the table informed the Senate that the Honourable the Speaker was unavoidably absent, whereupon the Honourable Senator Ringuette, Speaker pro tempore, took the chair, pursuant to rule 2-4(6).

PRAYERS

The Senate observed a minute of silence in memory of the victims of the attacks that took place on September 4 in Saskatchewan.

Senators’ Statements

Some Honourable Senators made statements.

ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS

Presenting or Tabling Reports from Committees

The Honourable Senator Manning, Chair of the Standing Senate Committee on Fisheries and Oceans, informed the Senate that, pursuant to the orders adopted by the Senate on February 10, 2022, and May 12, 2022, the committee deposited with the Clerk of the Senate on July 12, 2022, its fourth report entitled Peace on the Water (Advancing the Full Implementation of Mi’kmaq, Wolastoqiyik and Peskotomuhkati Rights-Based Fisheries).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-941S.

The Honourable Senator Manning moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Batters, that the report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration at the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

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The Honourable Senator Francis, Chair of the Standing Senate Committee on Indigenous Peoples, informed the Senate that, pursuant to the orders adopted by the Senate on March 3, 2022, and June 14, 2022, the committee deposited with the Clerk of the Senate on June 27, 2022, its seventh report (interim) entitled Make it Stop! Ending the remaining discrimination in Indian registration.—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-940S.

The Honourable Senator Francis moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Bellemare, that the report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration at the next sitting.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Government Notices of Motions

With leave of the Senate,

The Honourable Senator Gagné moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Gold, P.C.:

That, for the remainder of the current session:

(a)when the Senate sits on a Wednesday, it adjourn at 4 p.m., as if that were the ordinary time of adjournment provided for in the Rules, unless it has been suspended for the purpose of taking a deferred vote or has earlier adjourned; and

(b)if a vote is deferred to a Wednesday, or to later that same day on a Wednesday, it take place at 4:15 p.m., notwithstanding any provision of the Rules, with the Speaker interrupting the proceedings immediately prior to any adjournment, but no later than 4 p.m., to suspend the sitting until 4:15 p.m. for the taking of the deferred vote, with the bells to start ringing at 4 p.m.

The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.

Question Period

The Senate proceeded to Question Period.

Orders of the Day

Government Business

Pursuant to the order adopted December 7, 2021, the Honourable Senator Gagné informed the Senate that Question Period with the Honourable Marc Miller, P.C., M.P., Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations, will take place on Thursday, September 22, 2022, at 3:20 p.m.

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A message was brought from the House of Commons in the following words:

Thursday, June 23, 2022

EXTRACT, —

That, notwithstanding any standing order, special order or usual practice of the House, beginning on Friday, June 24, 2022, and ending on Friday, June 23, 2023:

(a)members may participate in proceedings of the House either in person or by videoconference, provided that members participating remotely be in Canada;

(b)members who participate remotely in a sitting of the House be counted for the purpose of quorum;

(c)provisions in the Standing Orders to the need for members to rise or to be in their place, as well as any reference to the chair, the table or the chamber shall be interpreted in a manner consistent with the virtual and hybrid nature of the proceedings;

(d)the application of Standing Order 17 shall be suspended;

(e)in Standing Orders 26(2), 53(4), 56.1(3), and 56.2(2), the reference to the number of members required to rise be replaced with the word “five”;

(f)the application of Standing Order 62 shall be suspended for any member participating remotely;

(g)documents may be laid before the House or presented to the House electronically, provided that:

(i)documents deposited pursuant to Standing Order 32(1) shall be deposited with the Clerk of the House electronically,

(ii)documents shall be transmitted to the clerk by members prior to their intervention,

(iii)any petition presented pursuant to Standing Order 36(5) may be filed with the clerk electronically,

(iv)responses to questions on the Order Paper deposited pursuant to Standing Order 39 may be tabled electronically;

(h)should the House resolve itself in a committee of the whole, the Chair may preside from the Speaker’s chair;

(i)when a question that could lead to a recorded division is put to the House, in lieu of calling for the yeas and nays, one representative of a recognized party can rise to request a recorded vote or to indicate that the motion is adopted on division, provided that a request for a recorded division has precedence;

(j)when a recorded division is requested in respect of a debatable motion, or a motion to concur in a bill at report stage on a Friday, including any division arising as a consequence of the application of Standing Order 78, but excluding any division in relation to the budget debate, pursuant to Standing Order 84, or the business of supply occurring on the last supply day of a period, other than as provided in Standing Orders 81(17) and 81(18)(b), or arising as a consequence of an order made pursuant to Standing Order 57,

(i)before 2:00 p.m. on a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, it shall stand deferred until the conclusion of Oral Questions at that day’s sitting, or

(ii)after 2:00 p.m. on a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, or at any time on a Friday, it shall stand deferred until the conclusion of Oral Questions at the next sitting day that is not a Friday,

provided that any extension of time pursuant to Standing Order 45(7.1) shall not exceed 90 minutes;

(k)if a motion for the previous question under Standing Order 61 is adopted without a recorded division, the vote on the main question may be deferred under the provisions of paragraph (j), however if a recorded division is requested on the previous question, and such division is deferred and the previous question subsequently adopted, the vote on the original question shall not be deferred;

(l)when a recorded division, which would have ordinarily been deemed deferred to immediately before the time provided for Private Members’ Business on a Wednesday governed by this order, is requested, the said division is deemed to have been deferred until the conclusion of Oral Questions on the same Wednesday, provided that such recorded divisions be taken after the other recorded divisions deferred at that time;

(m)for greater certainty, this order shall not limit the application of Standing Order 45(7);

(n)when a recorded division is to be held, the bells to call in the members shall be sounded for not more than 30 minutes, except recorded divisions deferred to the conclusion of Oral Questions, when the bells shall be sounded for not more than 15 minutes;

(o)recorded divisions shall take place in the usual way for members participating in person or by electronic means through the House of Commons electronic voting application for all other members, provided that:

(i)electronic votes shall be cast from within Canada using the member’s House-managed mobile device and the member’s personal House of Commons account, and that each vote require visual identity validation,

(ii)the period allowed for voting electronically on a motion shall be 10 minutes, to begin after the Chair has read the motion to the House, and members voting electronically may change their vote until the electronic voting period has closed,

(iii)in the event a member casts their vote both in person and electronically, a vote cast in person take precedence,

(iv)any member unable to vote via the electronic voting system during the 10-minute period due to technical issues may connect to the virtual sitting to indicate to the Chair their voting intention by the House videoconferencing system,

(v)following any concern, identified by the electronic voting system, which is raised by a House officer of a recognized party regarding the visual identity of a member using the electronic voting system, the member in question shall respond immediately to confirm their vote, either in person or by the House videoconferencing system, failing which the vote shall not be recorded,

(vi)the whip of each recognized party have access to a tool to confirm the visual identity of each member voting by electronic means, and that the votes of members voting by electronic means be made available to the public during the period allowed for the vote,

(vii)the process for votes in committees of the whole take place in a manner similar to the process for votes during sittings of the House with the exception of the requirement to call in the members,

(viii)any question to be resolved by secret ballot be excluded from this order,

(ix)during the taking of a recorded division on a private members’ business, when the sponsor of the item is the first to vote and present at the beginning of the vote, the member be called first, whether participating in person or remotely;

(p)during meetings of standing, standing joint, special, special joint, except the Special Joint Committee on the Declaration of Emergency, and legislative committees and the Liaison Committee, as well as their subcommittees, where applicable, members may participate either in person or by videoconference, and provided that priority use of House resources for meetings shall be established by an agreement of the whips and, for virtual or hybrid meetings, the following provisions shall apply:

(i)members who participate remotely shall be counted for the purpose of quorum,

(ii)except for those decided unanimously or on division, all questions shall be decided by a recorded vote,

(iii)when more than one motion is proposed for the election of a chair or a vice-chair of a committee, any motion received after the initial one shall be taken as a notice of motion and such motions shall be put to the committee seriatim until one is adopted,

(iv)public proceedings shall be made available to the public via the House of Commons website,

(v)in camera proceedings may be conducted in a manner that takes into account the potential risks to confidentiality inherent in meetings with remote participants,

(vi)notices of membership substitutions pursuant to Standing Order 114(2) and requests pursuant to Standing Order 106(4) may be filed with the clerk of each committee by email; and

(q)notwithstanding the order adopted on Wednesday, March 2, 2022, regarding the Special Joint Committee on the Declaration of Emergency, until the committee ceases to exist and where applicable,

(i)the committee shall hold meetings in person only should this be necessary to consider any matter referred to it pursuant to subsection 61(2) of the act,

(ii)members who participate remotely shall be counted for the purpose of quorum,

(iii)except for those decided unanimously or on division, all questions shall be decided by a recorded vote,

(iv)in camera proceedings may be conducted in a manner that takes into account the potential risks to confidentiality inherent in meetings with remote participants,

(v)when more than one motion is proposed for the election of the House vice-chairs, any motion received after the initial one shall be taken as a notice of motion and such motions shall be put to the committee seriatim until one is adopted;

that a message be sent to the Senate to acquaint Their Honours that this House has passed this order; and

that the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs be instructed to undertake a study on hybrid proceedings and the aforementioned changes to the Standing Orders and the usual practice of the House.

ATTEST

Charles Robert

The Clerk of the House of Commons

Bills – Second Reading

Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Dawson, seconded by the Honourable Senator Bovey, for the second reading of Bill C-11, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other Acts.

Debate.

ADJOURNMENT

At 4 p.m., pursuant to the order adopted by the Senate earlier today, the Senate adjourned until 2 p.m., tomorrow.

DOCUMENTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE SENATE PURSUANT TO RULE 14-1(7)

Summaries of the Corporate Plan and Budgets for 2022-23 to 2026-27 of the Canada Deposit Insurance Corporation, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 125(4).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-984.

Report of the Freshwater Fish Marketing Corporation, together with the Auditor General’s Report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2022, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 150(1).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-985.

Copy of the Regulations Amending the Special Economic Measures (Russia) Regulations (P.C. 2022-927), pursuant to the Special Economic Measures Act, S.C. 1992, c. 17, sbs. 7(1).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-986.

Copy of the Regulations Amending the Special Economic Measures (Russia) Regulations (P.C. 2022-928), pursuant to the Special Economic Measures Act, S.C. 1992, c. 17, sbs. 7(1).—Sessional Paper No. 1/44-987.

Changes in Membership of Committees Pursuant to Rule 12-5

Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Commerce and the Economy

The Honourable Senator Moncion replaced the Honourable Senator Woo (September 21, 2022).

The Honourable Senator Deacon (Nova Scotia) replaced the Honourable Senator Moncion (September 21, 2022).

Standing Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade

The Honourable Senator Dawson replaced the Honourable Senator Harder, P.C. (September 21, 2022).

Standing Senate Committee on Human Rights

The Honourable Senator Hartling replaced the Honourable Senator Jaffer (September 21, 2022).

Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology

The Honourable Senator Martin replaced the Honourable Senator Poirier (September 21, 2022).

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